. Man, you must be crazy. When Allah sent their brother Salih (AS) to advise them of the true faith, they rejected him just like the Aad had rejected Hud before. Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. [26] The name is a misnomer from the nineteenth century, when such texts were discovered in areas associated with the Thamud in the Islamic tradition. They are the idumeans( Edomites), Prophet Abraham pbuh was a Chaldean who had, People of uz autocorrect sucks sometimes, The quran pretty unambiguously says that the people of Nuh were a globalised civilization, so your timing seems a bit off, Your email address will not be published. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. There existed a nation called the Edomites. ___Fatwa. This came to pass, and Thamud was annihilated. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. We hardly know anything about the Nabateans aside of their nomadic life-style, which is not consonant with building these incredible structures. Who can bring me down to the ground? 12. Finally, we should understand that Allah has no problem replacing one people with another. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today Its in their records, that we find out first mention of Thamud. The Edomites and Thamud JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. It was He who brought you into being from the earth and made you inhabit it, so ask forgiveness from Him, and turn back to Him: my Lord is near, and ready to answer." [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. My people, this camel belongs to God, a sign for you, so leave it to pasture on God's earth and do not harm it, or you will soon be punished." Having failed to save his people, Salih warned that they would be destroyed after three days. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. 6. The Qurn saysand remember how he made you succeedd and lodged you in the land. I look forward to your response my dear brother. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. the fate and remains of past generations with our eyes bcuz verse 25:37 speaks about the people of Nuh AS and it tells us that Allah SWT left a sign for mankind. . I just had the chance to look at the comments now and I dont seem to understand the problem here. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? Ok thanks jazzakkallah last questions and ill leave it at that what do you mean not on the surface and is 89:9 saying the Arabs could still see those buildings because it says (the rocks it uses al the why not just say rocks and what does it mean by rocks does it mean houses or mountains thanks Thats it. 4. Or symbolic its talking about the left more of a legacy in there story. And you said the inside has to be bigger how big do you think it has to be inside like the inside of petra or smaller or bigger and how many rooms do you think there should of been or do you think the inside of madion al saleh is the right size sorry for all the questions but these are it then I wont ask any more questions Im justin putting them all so then thats it jazzakkallah, This is also part of 4. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. [22], Thamudic is an aggregate name for some 15,000 inscriptions from all over Arabia, which have not been properly studied and identified as separate languages. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? Those people rejected their prophets and did not follow the correct way and Allah did destroy them. Like does 89:9 mean what thamud used too do like example pharoh killed people on stakes or does it mean what they have done like example the pyramids. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. This is an odd conclusion. The Nabataeans were nomadic Arabs who moved into territory vacated by the Edomites Semites who settled the region centuries before them. The Bible does contain verses about a particular nation known as the Edomites, who did carve out structures on mountains and who were destroyed by God. This is an article I recently wrote. In addition, when the verses talk about Verily there is a sign in this, it doesnt necessarily mean that we have to see the sign i.e. But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. The tribes of Arabia engaged in nomadic herding and agriculture since 6000 BCE. The Bible makes a claim that a particular time in history, a people who lived in in the kingdom of EdomEdomites predate the Nabateans or the current historically accepted date of the structures carved from the mountainscarved out structures in the hills and mountains. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. . copyright@ Atowar Rahman Salafi || year 2021, may, @Copyright_ Atowar Rahman Salafi Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. [21] Syrians who belonged to Monophysitic denominations welcomed the peninsular Arabs as liberators. By declining the noun Thamud or not, it means the region or the tribe. 85 percent of the region is still untouched, and hidden. The blast struck the evildoers and they lay dead in their homes, as though they had never lived and flourished there. Routledge. Satan made their actions seem good to them and so debarred them from the Way, even though they were intelligent people. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. Your email address will not be published. What do we intend to get out of the statement that they were more in number and strength in what they left behind. declares the LORD. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. The title People of al-Hijr was, therefore, that of Nabateans who came much late in history and their period overlapped with Thamud-II, the remnants of Thamud-I, the subject of Quran.[5]. Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. Although the Thamud probably originated in southern Arabia, a large group apparently moved northward at an early date, traditionally settling on the slopes of Mount Athlab. _ Story of Aad _tafseer. Yes, I understood but if you read my comment, youll see that this problem is addressed. In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. Or there fallen down relics are still better than you houses now 3. or there fallen down relics show they are/were better than you 4. Honestly I dont understand the confusion at and all of it has been dealt with above. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. When some one has a keen desire to understand logically or has questions, there is nothing wrong I think. What do u think? Continue the discussion, Ok thanks so what does atharan mean in classical arabic or can it mean effects and results in classical arabic as well can it mean made as well as left jazzakkallah, And you said that there remains will show they once were better then you do you mean like if throw there might only be a few bricks left those bricks will still show they once were better because of the size of those bricks and how they were carved and the same with broken pillars even this they are broken the size of the circle shaped and the way they are cut they show that they were once supier and still are by the relics than you is that what you mean jazzakkallah by there relics show they once were better even there not that great now like old roman and egyptian bricks not standing but lieing down decaying but we can still tell they built better stuff like all I have to do is find one large bone of a dinosaur to know they are big that I dont need to find a lot of bones to know that is that what you mean jazzakkallah, I mean witch of these sound more like what the verses are saying 1. (2/434), As for the related Hadith reports related to the incident during the Tabuk expedition they either do not mention Thamud by name or say. Yusuf Ali: But if they turn away, say thou: "I . Arabization and Islamization of Syria began in the 7th century, and it took several centuries for Islam, the Arab identity, and language to spread;[19] the Arabs of the caliphate did not attempt to spread their language or religion in the early periods of the conquest, and formed an isolated aristocracy. Witch out of these 7 does it sound more what the verses are saying or does it mean something other than these 7 Is al ula walid al qura 2. [28] Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. And As-Saihah (torment - awful cry) overtook the wrong-doers, so they lay (dead), prostrate in their homes, As if they had never lived there. As such, missionaries and polemicists have claimed that the mistakes of Muslim folklore, or contradictory applications of the name Thamud to archaeological discoveries, suggest an historical mistake in the Quran. [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. They were Giants and so powerful. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. ""- . The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. That they were better than you in building these fallen down relics 2. Modern historiography "unveiled the lack of inner coherence of this genealogical system and demonstrated that it finds insufficient matching evidence".[14]. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. Or just left a lot of material in the land 7. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. The Nabatean inscriptions are the ancient equivalent of graffiti, which humans even today have a predilection for. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. Think over this in detail. There was a great influx of Arab tribes into Khuzestan from the 16th to the 19th century, including the migration of the Banu Ka'b and Banu Lam from the Arabian desert. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. And they were also well-built because they still exist today. Akkadians There is no possibility that these were houses. Vol. The Tribes of Arabia (Arabic: ) or Arab tribes (Arabic: ) are the ethnic Arab tribes and clans that originated in the Arabian Peninsula. Sorry for such a late response. 1. The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. The Ayah is general [And how many a city have I (Allah) destroyed]? So away with Thamud! And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. Change). The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. So Ill let that one go for another article and focus on the main discussion, the Aad and Thamud. Ptolemy, who lived in the second century, wrote that the "Thamuditai" tribe inhabited the Red Sea coastline, and that the "Thamoudenoi" tribe lived in inland northwestern Arabiaeither or both may be references to the Thamdwhile his contemporary Uranius believed that the Thamd neighbored the Nabateans. Another inscription from the same temple mentions Aad by name, and reads, by Ghawth son of Aslah son of Thokam and he constructed the temple of Allt, of the people of Ad. Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. He said: ., Do not enter (the dwelling places) of these people unless you enter weeping, but if you weep not, then do not enter upon them, lest you be afflicted with what they were afflicted with [Bukhari]. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. 14. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. The Story of The Aad And The Thamud Nation_ Qur'an __ | _ Dua for Relief Distress, Laziness, Debts : Suhih Muslim_ Book of General Behaviour_ Kitab al Suhih Muslim_ The Book of Destiny (KITAB-UL-QADR) Chapter___ Raising Index Finger in Tashahhud. They didnt bluntly reject Salih like the Aad did to Hud. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. Perhaps these survivors were Prophet Hud (AS) and his followers. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. You have no god other than Him. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. The Quran does not make any claim about the historicity of specific sites, but rather enjoins the believers to reflect upon the many ruins of idolatrous societies throughout Arabia as a lesson in the futility of disobedience to Allah. Ala-Maududi. Chapter (41) srat fuilat (Explained in Detail) Sahih International: But if they turn away, then say, "I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] 'Aad and Thamud.. Pickthall: But if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt (which fell of old upon the tribes) of A'ad and Thamud;. - _ taf . Is their carved construction still there today? In Umayya's account, there is no Salih. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. And does the verses before say the Arabs could see the Arabs loft pillars or just saying what they used to do 89:6-8 So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land?Chapter 7, Verse 74. Now are they fully destroyed now over the 1400 years or are mixed with the newer nabataens, True but many people say when it says travel the land it is normally speaking about ad and thamud because they are the closest cant atharan mean just marks not marks left behind like 30:50 when it says effects it doesnt mean left behind effects because allah would mean left behind so what can atharan thanks for replying back all the time, Because even if these verses are saying thamud and AD it is saying there better than there houses but how can they if they were in advance state of decay because we cant see ad houses left so they had to be in advance stat of decay so if they were how could they be better then there houses because these verse would be more talking about ad more than thamud any hence in the verse they were mightier because ad called them selfs mightier, Arabic language has been heavily borrowed from by the Urdu language spoken widely in Pakistan and India. Anyway, whats really important is what led to their punishment. During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. As for the wells, studies have shown that the Nabateans were experts in the field of irrigation and a lot of wells was attributed to them. Surviving quotations from Agatharchides's On the Erythrean Sea, from the second century BCE, reports that the Thamud Arabs then inhabited a "stony and large shore" of the Arabian coastline, south of the Gulf of Aqaba. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. It is addressed there These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Al-Bu, Albu, Banu. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. Even if the prophet saw these exact structures which are visible today and we can, hypothetically, prove beyond a shadow of doubt that no one ever lived in them, and he took them to be the dwellings of the Thamud, that isnt a major problem. Its like me living in a house, then someone tears it down and then builds another house and says Abdullah used to live in that house while the fact is that I did not. Allah sent the Prophet Hud to give the Aad the message of Islam. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. We do not take it as a science book and neither should we take it as a book of archaeology. Source: Sahih Muslim 2981, Grade: Sahih, . And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. [15:80-84], , Abdullah b. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. Year_ May , 2021 -. He said, "My people, worship God. Yusuf Ali. Have not read their own bibles. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. Are Hadiths Anti-Semitic? In the Nabataean period, several impressive facades were carved into the hills outside al-Hijr, between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. I will post the links here for now. The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. Here our discussion lies around the location of the thamud people and the houses/tombs they carved out of the stones and mountains. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. : Moving the Finger in Tashahhud: Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom the ninth-century scholar. 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